Nursing Uncharted Ep. 107 - Finding Positivity in Nursing with Laurel Prince

Welcome back to Nursing Uncharted! In this episode, host Ann reconnects with the inspiring Laurel Prince, a returning guest who brings her unique perspective on navigating the challenges of nursing and life. Together, they discuss the power of embracing change, finding positivity in difficult moments, and staying true to yourself.

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The serendipitous story of how Laurel and Ann first met in person.
• How travel nursing can be both isolating and rewarding, and the importance of finding small moments of joy.
• The concept of "wonder walking" and how it can help you rediscover a sense of awe in everyday life.
• Navigating self-identity when life throws unexpected challenges your way.
• The emotional impact of receiving life-changing medical news and how it shapes both patients and nurses.
• The importance of bringing your authentic self to work and fostering human connections with patients.
• Why leaning into discomfort and change can lead to personal growth and fulfillment.

Chapters

Welcome and Guest Introduction (00:00:00)
The episode opens with Ann introducing Laurel Prince and recounting Laurel’s previous visit.

First Meeting (00:01:00)
Ann and Laurel share the unique story of how they met in person for the first time.

Travel Nursing and Finding Connection (00:02:30)
The ups and downs of being a travel nurse, loneliness, and seeking small moments of happiness.

Self-Identity and Life Changes (00:05:00)
How changing environments impacts identity, letting go, and creating a new sense of self.

Emotional Journeys and Patient Experiences (00:07:00)
The impact of difficult diagnoses, understanding patient perspectives, and confronting fears.

Embracing Change and Human Connection (00:13:00)
Leaning into vulnerability, bringing authenticity to patient care, and the importance of kindness.

Advice for Nurses and Final Reflections (00:20:00)
Laurel’s advice for new nurses and a heartfelt wrap-up about growth and remaining true to yourself.

Notable Quotes from the Episode

• "Life is what happens when you're busy making plans."
• "No one's self-concept changes as quickly as their diagnosis."

About Our Guest

Laurel Prince is a travel nurse and advocate for finding positivity in the face of adversity. Her experiences as a nurse and her personal journey of self-discovery inspire others to embrace change and live authentically. Want to hear more from Laurel? Check out our conversation with her from episode 75- Embracing Joy as a Travel Nurse.

Transcript

00:00:00:02 - 00:00:22:19
Speaker 1
Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of Nursing Uncharted. It's a new year and I am so excited for today's guest because she's been here before and that episode rocked. And I just know this one is going to hit even harder. So welcome back. Someone who I can now call a friend. Miss Laurel, you brought so much positivity, so much energy.

00:00:23:00 - 00:00:53:10
Speaker 1
Your I just like want to live in your brain because you just have this way of looking at everything and just finding the most beautiful meaning and outlook, and you just are very it's very inspiring to me. So I know you've inspired the the listeners. So I almost feel like we should share the little story about how we actually met in person for the first time before we dive into our conversation, but I hundred percent, because I believe that it had happened.

00:00:53:12 - 00:01:13:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. We did. Yeah. You live in San Diego. I live in San Diego. I knew the area of town you lived in. I had no idea where you actually lived, so I was going to this part of town and I went there. And for those that don't live in Southern California, parking is a whole phenomenon. So I was circling around trying to find a place to park.

00:01:13:22 - 00:01:34:04
Speaker 1
As I'm walking up this way towards my car, there's a human being coming out of her house, her apartment. But so it's to the point where we we literally came face to face on the sidewalk, and we both kind of did one of these. Okay. And then I'm, you know, moving my car and it's like, this girl looks like she's moving.

00:01:34:04 - 00:01:56:20
Speaker 1
I don't know. And then we sort of, like, both turned around and you walk back, you're like, are you Laurel? And I was like, wait, what is happening? And I love because you this to me is you're like, why are you outside of my house? And I was like, why are you moving? It was just but but it was one of those moments where 10s in either direction and our faces, our eyes wouldn't have met.

00:01:56:22 - 00:02:24:15
Speaker 1
That was the craziest way to ever meet someone. The thing I love about that is there's these moments, I think in life, moments like that remind me that, and this kind of goes to the quote that we were just talking about that I love. Life is what happens when you're busy making plans. Yeah. And there are these moments that happen in life that are so like, I'm a planner, I love my plans.

00:02:24:18 - 00:02:50:14
Speaker 1
I could not script this, you know, basically relating this all back to what we do. We're both nurses, you know, we're we're both travel nurses. You know, I talked about this in my, my welcome to 2026 episode. You know, travel nursing can be lonely. And it's just those little reminders and those little things that sometimes we have to look for that keeps us happy and keeps our health filled.

00:02:50:14 - 00:03:10:18
Speaker 1
Because what we do is hard. Yeah, yeah. And this kind of also ties in with some of the things we were chatting about before about this, this concept of kind of self-identity. You know, this like the idea we have of who we are and then life throwing something at us. And sometimes it's a miracle, sometimes it's, you know what?

00:03:10:18 - 00:03:30:11
Speaker 1
You know, it's those moments where you're thinking, oh my gosh, Liz, you're amazing. And sometimes it's things that are so hard that you're like, I can't believe that you life think that I could actually withstand this. Yeah. Because this is not possible. Like and I, I feel like since we talked last time, there's been this arc in my life where I was sort of like, oh, I'm wonder walking.

00:03:30:11 - 00:03:49:22
Speaker 1
And that was a term I used where I would literally just travel to different cities. And my goal was I was like, I'm gonna leave the house and I'm going to walk around until I find something that brings me a sense of wonder. And you know, it didn't take long for me also, because there was this newness. And then I've come back to San Diego, you know, in brief, my mom was having some health challenges.

00:03:49:22 - 00:04:11:17
Speaker 1
She's fine. Everything's fine. But, you know, there was for me, I think I had this. I didn't realize until I came back here how much of who I thought I was was based on the way that I externally created my life. Yeah, in the sense of like, oh, I'm a wonder walker and I do this and I do that, and that's just who I am.

00:04:11:17 - 00:04:31:12
Speaker 1
Does good. And I did it, and I did. And then all that goes away and you're like you said, as an astrologer, you're in a new environment, you're with new coworkers, you're living in a new place. And so all of the things that that give you a sense of who you are, what do you do when that goes away, like you identify with that, like the things you can identify with are no longer there.

00:04:31:16 - 00:04:53:21
Speaker 1
Yeah. So then what what are you left with? Right, right. And that's where I think that it can be such a beautiful blessing, curse, challenge, wonderful experience. Like the whole it's the whole package, right, of when you choose to sort of cross that threshold and say, I am going to go do this thing where every I'm going to leave behind.

00:04:53:21 - 00:05:18:12
Speaker 1
You know, we talked about this when we first spoke about leaving behind, you know, our with the place we grew up, all the people we grew up around our home, our family, especially around the holidays. As a traveler, you know, it's I mean, because I remember working on units where, you know, everybody's doing Secret Santa or there's just this, there's all this connection because these people have worked together for a long time, and there can be a way in which you're not in.

00:05:18:17 - 00:05:36:08
Speaker 1
They're not excluding you intentionally. You just don't belong to them in that sense of because you have this sort of short term ness. Right. And so there's these you're sort of witnessing all of this, the architecture of longevity, right? Like what happens when you know someone for years and, and then you're sort of a little bit on the outside of that.

00:05:36:08 - 00:06:01:07
Speaker 1
I think one of the beauty of it is when all of that stuff, you know, falls away when everything. Because in some ways, you know, when you have a routine and you know, you live in the same place, you work with the same people, it gives you a sense of self, but it can also, you know, when everything that gives you a sense of identity falls away, you get to create a new one.

00:06:01:09 - 00:06:40:04
Speaker 1
It lends itself to the creation, you know, like you just have this way of finding positivity in everything. And I think that's so special. Well, thank you so much. And I also want to like one of the things I'm working on is kind of holding two things that can both be true, even though they seem like opposites. Part of why I lean into all right, create something new is because I have been so sad in those moments, like I've been in those moments, and it has been so hard and the feeling of, you know, how everything I thought I was just fell away.

00:06:40:06 - 00:07:00:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. Now I'm alone or I'm in a new city, or you know, that the sense of almost like desolation, you know, this sense of emptiness. Emptiness. Who am I? You know, what does it all mean? And, you know, and so I, I think from that again, I feel like and we all get those moments in life again, life presents us things.

00:07:00:20 - 00:07:24:13
Speaker 1
So we all get these moments of like, okay, this feels awful. I didn't know it would feel this way. I don't necessarily like this. And I think about this a lot with our patients in the hospital because I, I have this phrase. I say, I think no one's self-concept changes as quickly as their diagnosis. You know, a doctor walks into the room and you know, you I'm thinking of a patient I had.

00:07:24:18 - 00:07:43:16
Speaker 1
You're a healthy 35 year old woman who's a jogger, who has a three year old who's going to Greece next month with her family, and a doctor walks in and says, actually, you know what? You have bone marrow cancer, and we're admitting you to the hospital and you're, you know, and it's like, yeah, all of a sudden your labs tell you who you are, right?

00:07:43:16 - 00:08:18:12
Speaker 1
And who you're not and what your life is going to look like. And and I think that those moments of and again, I'm, you know, the there's levels of it. But when we have an idea of who we are and how our life is going to be, and something happens and we still have that idea, but then we have reality and there's this friction between them, right, of like, and I think those moments of, okay, I'm sad or I'm alone or I'm lonely for me, what what is sort of propels me forward, you know, through them not to avoid them, but okay, this is hard, but I can what's the next step?

00:08:18:18 - 00:08:45:00
Speaker 1
Is that sense of like, well, okay, everything that I thought was going to be just went up in smoke again, like leaning into that kind of almost childlike wonder of, well, what can I make out of this? You know what? What could be interesting or what could be good or what could be different? And obviously it's easier. Well, it's a different ball of wax when you're dealing with like we're talking about being travelers and changing and we choose those versus a patient who's sick.

00:08:45:00 - 00:09:05:09
Speaker 1
But but I see that in people too. You know, I there's a woman who I read her book who was diagnosed with cancer, and she journaled her way through her first, treatments. And then she was on I don't remember exactly if it was the chemo meds, but she she can see as well. So she couldn't write anymore.

00:09:05:09 - 00:09:33:09
Speaker 1
So she started painting watercolor, you know, and, you know, and just that, that I feel like that that is you know, that is such a fundamental thing of who we are as humans that that strange ability we have to sort of, okay, what can I try now, you know, what can I do next? That story just gives me the chills because as relatable, like I'm in my 30s and like I had, I have to I have to have surgery.

00:09:33:09 - 00:09:58:14
Speaker 1
Full disclosure, like I don't want to do it. Yeah. What if, you know, I have this surgery and I lose function of my arm? Yeah, anything can happen. We know that. You know, that's like a fear that I have. So my, my yeah, defense of that is I'm fine. I'm good. Yeah, yeah. But you know that that wasn't that wasn't like a life changing.

00:09:58:16 - 00:10:12:21
Speaker 1
I mean, it could be, but it wasn't as like, severe as getting a, you know, the diagnosis that you just explained. But I remember sitting going to this appointment feeling like, okay, I got plans, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this. Yeah. This, you know, I'm going to like, this is what I got to do.

00:10:12:21 - 00:10:36:14
Speaker 1
And the doctor sits me in a room. I'm by myself and he tells me this, and I like, I'm like, what? Yeah. And I'm just like, what? Know? Like, what are what else can I do? And he was like, he literally said to me, I don't know why you're asking the questions you're asking. You should be asking me, how soon do I need the surgery?

00:10:36:17 - 00:10:57:18
Speaker 1
Not do I need to have this surgery? And I'm like, wait, what? It's not serious. And like, just for for that first time, I was a patient that got news that I didn't want to get. Yeah, and I was alone. Yeah. And I remember, like, I remember leaving and getting on an elevator. Yeah. And he was on the fifth floor, and I just wanted to go to my car and cry.

00:10:57:18 - 00:11:13:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, right. I didn't I didn't want to cry there. And he even asked me, he's like, are you okay? I'm like, I'm not okay. But like, I got to get out of here at this point. Yeah. And like I remember like riding the elevator down and like stopping at all these floors, hearing like, nurses. I don't know if they're nurses, but.

00:11:13:18 - 00:11:42:23
Speaker 1
Yeah, hearing workers in the elevator. Yeah. Talking about, like, lunch stuff and, like, gossiping about something was like, okay, my life fell apart, and I don't want to hear about what you had for lunch. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like annoyed. And it really was something that is like is crappy is that was leaning into that fear. The, the experience I had on that elevator reminded me that you could be next to someone who just got the worst news of their life and they could be alone.

00:11:43:03 - 00:12:19:08
Speaker 1
So it was it was kind of like a self-check of me to being like, at work, I need to always be professional because you don't know who's going to be on that elevator with you. Yeah, I love that story. I don't I mean, obviously, I'm sorry to hear that surgery, but that just sort of encapsulates everything we were talking about in that, you know, when your idea of who you are and how your life is going to be comes, sort of falls away or gets threatened or, you know, this new information comes and what I love is that it shows that that journey is difficult.

00:12:19:10 - 00:12:44:10
Speaker 1
It is really difficult when life throws you curveballs and it's all the things, right? Like, what if I can't, you know? Yeah, what if I can't? All the fears come up. But I love that you basically cross that bridge into compassion, you know? Because on the other side of that, you're like, oh, wow, this is what my patients feel like this I and now I know what it's like to be that person.

00:12:44:12 - 00:13:03:00
Speaker 1
So this world has just been turned upside down, alone and alone. And that's something that I never it made me think about a lot, you know, like. And I guess you're right. I leaned in to, like, how I can be a better nurse or be a person. Yeah. You know, at the end of the day, like, we don't know.

00:13:03:00 - 00:13:20:15
Speaker 1
And that's something that I say all the time is like, when you go out to dinner or you're just out there and someone's being mean to you, and I'm just like, you don't know my life. Yeah. You know, if, you know, like, it's just like you don't know what someone else is going through. Yeah. And it's it's I always try to choose kindness.

00:13:20:15 - 00:13:42:08
Speaker 1
I didn't always, always that way. But things in life that happen, you know, make you change how you behave and who you are. Your life is ever changing. There's another quote that I wish I had written down, but I didn't because I couldn't remember it until you just said this. When I first moved to New York, because it, you know, it was a big, scary, overwhelming place.

00:13:42:08 - 00:14:09:02
Speaker 1
But one of my friends sent me a quote, I think it was Doctor Seuss or. But it essentially said, if life's if life gives you a chance, take it. If it changes, you let it. And that I feel like all of this kind of relates to the idea of, you know, life is going to change us, or at least give us opportunities to change, right where we are confronted with information we didn't have before reactions.

00:14:09:02 - 00:14:30:05
Speaker 1
And it's so funny that the doctor being like, why are you asking me these questions? I feel like when I've had things and even just watching my mom or people I love, how do I say this? Resist medical information. And this was something I struggled with my mom a little bit in the beginning. Like, you know, do you know how to.

00:14:30:08 - 00:14:43:12
Speaker 1
These are things we need to do. Why aren't you doing them? Yeah, doing them because you don't want this to be happening. Yeah. You don't. You just don't want this for your life. Right? And so maybe if I just pretend that it's not happening, it won't be. I had a lot of those moments of like, oh, this isn't my life.

00:14:43:12 - 00:14:59:03
Speaker 1
I don't want this to be my life. Why is this happening? I don't want this to be happening. Yeah, and but what can come on the other side of that, again, is like just a richness of when I'm around people who are having things happen that I don't want this to be happening. I don't want this to be my life I feel like I have.

00:14:59:05 - 00:15:17:03
Speaker 1
I can put on that part of my brain. Right, especially. And even at work where you're like, okay, we're giving you all the medical advice and this is what you need to do. And I understand why you're behaving in a way that doesn't fall neatly under the logic umbrella. Right? Because we don't we don't know logical. And we're not logical, right?

00:15:17:03 - 00:15:36:17
Speaker 1
When we're when it's us, when I'm feeling so. Yeah, when it's uncomfortable. My way is to want to. Oh, this is not pleasant. Let's stop doing this right now and go back to pleasant. Right. And and so like again the the lean in of how can I be creative? How can I try to find joy even when this feels unbearable?

00:15:36:17 - 00:15:59:22
Speaker 1
Because ultimately, whether or not we like it on the other side of something that's going to change your life, you will be changed. I just had this like, feeling like this gut feeling that this year is going to something is going to happen in health care. That is going to be a huge change. It's I think that in some ways change is the new stable.

00:16:00:02 - 00:16:19:01
Speaker 1
I know that sounds really weird, but like that constant change sort of feels like it's become the new norm. You know, that that sense of pivot. Oh, okay. So we're doing this now, you know. Oh pivot. You know, oh we're doing this now. You know it's just yeah. That was you know because like the word of this is what it feels like.

00:16:19:03 - 00:16:45:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. Exactly. That's especially in health care a lot of people identify with nursing like who are you? I'm yes, I and that is something I think even when I started this podcast, it's like, what? Like, why are you a nurse? Yeah. And I don't have that, like, concrete thing. I, you know, I've never fully identified with. I'm an I'm a nurse.

00:16:45:07 - 00:17:03:11
Speaker 1
Yeah I do, yeah, I am, but like, yeah, I have a huge passion for what I do. I think I'm good at what I do. Yeah. And have had the confidence by that because I'm not an extremely confident person overall. But I know the type of nurse I am. But that's not just who and King is. Yeah. And and that's changed.

00:17:03:11 - 00:17:28:12
Speaker 1
And that's because I lean into those uncomfortable eyes that have because I think that the, the, the tighter you cling to, this is who I am. And it is right here. And it is these five things. Or, you know, I am a nurse. Well, what happens if you can't be? Then who are you? Right? I mean, if not, I think that that the more you, not you, but like, the more we all.

00:17:28:13 - 00:17:45:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Foster a sense of recognition that we are a lot of things. Right. And I and I love when I see nurses do this sort of bring themselves to work. Not in a way of like, I come to work and I am now a nurse, and that means I can't do this, and I can't do that, and I can't do this, but just bring all of it, right?

00:17:45:01 - 00:18:05:10
Speaker 1
What what do you do? You like to dance? I have one coworker. I love working with her. She is so goofy. But she if she has like a confused, you know, older patient. Yeah, she'll sing to them. Oh, 100%. She'll just sing to them and you know, even if it's like, hey, Gertrude, got your medications. Like, she just, she will sing.

00:18:05:10 - 00:18:22:12
Speaker 1
You know, I'm going to take your vitals, like. And it's just it's so it's such a beautiful way that she brings that kind of playful side of her personality into work, as opposed to shutting that down and being like, I am a nurse, and being a nurse means I am a serious professional. And being a serious professional means I will not sing to my patients.

00:18:22:12 - 00:18:42:19
Speaker 1
Like, yeah, it's like, how can we bring more of that? And none of us get to keep our identity, our body or this life, right? That there is an exit point for all of us. And I think that the more and I just see this as I get older, that the more people cling to this is who I am, and it cannot change and it must not change.

00:18:42:21 - 00:19:08:08
Speaker 1
That is not the planet we live on. Right? And that change is inevitable. And and I think that this idea of knowing, you know, being able to say, I love nursing, this is part of who I am. And if I'm not a nurse and is still and right, Laurel is still Laurel. There's a lot of ways that we can bring joy and the things that feed our love for nursing of you, taking care of people or whatever those passions are there other.

00:19:08:08 - 00:19:28:01
Speaker 1
It's almost like a river, right, that like branches off into different tributaries. There are other places, those that stream can go. Right. And so and I think it, it it's, it makes it feel lighter to me than having to have this like, this is my identity. This will not change because change is coming at us all the time.

00:19:28:01 - 00:19:46:06
Speaker 1
But also change can come from within us. You know we can. And again, we can lean into that change and embrace it. And we're talking a little bit about before the episode, you know, you having a kind of a vision for your new year that's like going to be different than this last year. And, and that's, that's an a way of saying, you know what?

00:19:46:06 - 00:20:07:09
Speaker 1
I'm, I'm going to lean into, you know, change is inevitable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, anything that is different than what you're doing, this is change. So it's not always scary. I mean, exactly what it should be. In a way. I do that. If it doesn't challenge you, it's not worth it. You know, you can't just live life, you know, being like, oh, I'm going to take the easy way.

00:20:07:09 - 00:20:29:06
Speaker 1
I'm going to do this because you're not, you're not. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be fulfilled. You're not going to achieve everything that you're meant to achieve. And I think about like the feedback I get from patients, just like you're saying, your friend at work, that. Yeah, things, you know, people say to me, like your personality got me through a hard day.

00:20:29:06 - 00:20:53:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, and that's something that I always preach to, like new, like new nurses. I'm like, no, your stuff. Yeah. If you don't know, you ask questions because you don't want to lie. And we don't want to write bad advice. We don't want to pretend, but, like, don't lose who you are. Yeah, that's you so important. Because that that can be the change for someone's bad day.

00:20:53:13 - 00:21:15:03
Speaker 1
When the doctor tells them something bad or good. Yeah, they don't understand, you know, they just hear the words. And then it's our job as nurses to go in there and bridge that for them. And, you know, if we go in stoic and cold and textbook, it's not what our patients want. They want that. Yeah. Warm comfort of like, hey, wait, this was actually good news.

00:21:15:03 - 00:21:35:13
Speaker 1
Like, we can celebrate this. Yeah. You know, hey, listen, maybe make some phone calls. Let's get, Yeah. Your family here. Let's talk about this as a whole before you spiral down. Yeah. Then that is not meant to be spiraled right now. Yeah, not. I mean, I do. I shared in the last episode a moment with a woman who was watching her mom die, right?

00:21:35:13 - 00:21:54:23
Speaker 1
While I was getting news that my mom was sick. And, you know, there are moments I feel like where it's it's a lot to feel and you can cut your heart off, or, you know, you can shut down, you can get cold. You can be like, I'm a professional. I'm sorry that you're mother's terminal. Would you like any medication?

00:21:54:23 - 00:22:12:14
Speaker 1
I'll be back in an hour to check her vitals. You can do that. You know, when you said, you know, the world is scary, I feel like trying to keep ourselves safe from things that are uncomfortable or scary. Actually just makes our world so much smaller. Yeah, because in that moment, you can also reach out and be like, hey, I'm sorry, I have a mom too.

00:22:12:16 - 00:22:31:08
Speaker 1
I'm so sorry this is happening. And it it's a connection, right? It's a bridge. You that you're you're connecting as a person. Right. And then I also feel like when you're willing to be human with your patients, in some ways, it it opens them more to when you say, hey, listen, this is why we need to do this treatment plan.

00:22:31:10 - 00:22:50:13
Speaker 1
This is what we're saying. Because then you're not just this sort of like, yeah, authority figure who is I have all the facts here. And you know, you're your person and they can feel that and they respond to that as well. So yeah, I think that's, you know, a great way to just give that everything we talked about I mean basically was us just sharing our, our life.

00:22:50:13 - 00:23:14:05
Speaker 1
What what was leaning into the change, leaning into the scary. Yeah. Learning from this growing. But at the end of the day, be a person. And I think her son and I think that that that really just sums it up. And yeah, the compassion and, you know, our own life experiences. Yeah, form who we are and our life experiences could be the same or similar to someone else's that we're caring for.

00:23:14:07 - 00:23:33:00
Speaker 1
And it makes it real and human. Yeah, I think and I just think that that's a a good way to wrap it up. And yes, you know, tie the tie. The bow being that is always I appreciate you coming on here. I, I love our conversations. I hope you accidentally park in front of my house again or. Right.

00:23:33:03 - 00:23:53:21
Speaker 1
We all park in front of your house. I don't know, I won't. Yeah, yeah. We'll just walk into the same grocery store, you know, through the center. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But I love it. And that's why the world, the world works wonders in mysterious ways. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Thank you so much. And I'm sure we'll be seeing more of you.

00:23:54:00 - 00:24:04:20
Speaker 1
Oh, thank you. Thank you so much for having me back. It's so good to talk to you. Talk to you.

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Speaker 2
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